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Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed

Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed

Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed

Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed
Untitled Drawing by spyed
Early deviantart by kdso
Deviantart Wallpaper by Slgado

On the seniors forum (to start) we've introduced the new sta.sh media bar (limited release only to senior members for now) allowing them to use sta.sh, muro, and deviantART in your comments. For fun, I made this in a few minutes using the new system. It allows you to use dA Muro, and its new annotation tool in order to point things out inside of art. but, I used it to have some fun. :) 

-- Angelo
aka Spyed
aka "this guy" - :rofl: 
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:iconhefeigal:
hefeigal Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha, this put a smile on my face. :D
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:iconcaseyjewels:
CaseyJewels Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Student Writer
Thanks for warning me there was nudity in this.
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:iconking-mob:
King-Mob Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
'untitled drawing by +spyed'

Are you kidding me? I showed you that...it's here on dA. You're uploading other people's work, even as a demonstration...as your own.

Jesus fuck dude. You run a site with quite literally billions of pieces of art and you're too lazy to get some from someone...or use your own. And try and act 'cool' by having something weird you didn't even find on your own.

Hire a PR company man. Or use the one you have. Or fire them if you are using them :laughing:
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:iconhttpdogs:
httpdogs Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I died from laughter
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:iconfaeorain:
faeorain Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Right now, in the " permissions " area, I have all of my deviations set to " NO " on allow modifications to my work, meaning, it is not allowed. Will this new feature override that?

Also, are you saying this new feature will assist others in modifying other peoples work without their permission? I hope this is not the case. At the least, there should be a disable feature on our submissions ( which means the decision to allow others to modify work would still be up to the original artist, as it should be ), otherwise, you'd be assisting people in breaking copyright. Sure, any work that is posted online is at risk, but when that happens, an artist can take action in such cases if they wish. I would think admitting that you are helping people to do this would be a bad idea and put your company at risk. But maybe I'm misunderstanding the entire conversation here...I hope so :)
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:iconbalambao:
Balambao Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
This is being addressed here: [link]
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:iconlemontea:
lemontea Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
With more ways to add llamas to things all over the site, I view this as a very good addition.

:llama:
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:iconking-mob:
King-Mob Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
But ever notice how neither you nor I nor Neo get any credit for the llama? Just the guy who hit the YES button on the code monkey switch...gotta love the new dA and zero respect for history. It must be weird for new people who think spyed made the whole thing himself, start to finish.
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:iconlemontea:
lemontea Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Eh, to be honest, I really don't care. It was just something fun and I was working for dA at the time anyway. I've done a lot to help the community over the years, but I'm not looking to be put on a pedestal. It's just a llama after all!
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:iconking-mob:
King-Mob Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
I just think it's silly how little credit is given in any area, and this particular thing has made scads of money...so of course no divvying up of credit ;)
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:iconthe-golden-knight:
The-Golden-Knight Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Awesome! I can't draw any of those! But I don't think that's what you did with Sta.sh. I think what you did with it was take those pictures, add captions, and compose this journal. I originally thought the title meant you made *everything* here in a few minutes; but really, it was just adding the "annotations". Just making sure we're clear.
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alerion19 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh gosh! I practically died from how hard I laughed!
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:iconurus-28:
Urus-28 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now that I have read all your answers about the working of this it looks like a very nice idea =D
Will it be possible to add thumbnail, emotes and everything in the annotation box too ? =P
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
oh that's ... a great idea! 
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:iconurus-28:
Urus-28 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well in fact the first use I think of it is for making great page design without having to learn boring CSS, with the possibility to add thumbnail it would make a great gallery page :la:
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darknightwolf2010 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
LOL
LOVE IT!!!
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:iconhappyhedgehog:
Happyhedgehog Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
While I see the value of such an idea for improving artwork, giving pointers, clearer critique etc. I too share some of the concerns that have already been mentioned (even if the annotated picture links back to the original art).

Personally at this moment in time (were it to go live right this second) I don't think I would like this ability to be usable on any of my art, in the same way that I don't allow critiques presently. If this were to become reality (although I don't have that many uploads), I would hate to have to go through them all individually and turn the feature off. So on that line of thought, presumably the feature will default as off? Or at least not be added as 'on' for every deviation currently uploaded? I imagine there's other folks with many more pictures than I which also would find it a pain to turn the feature off for every one of their pictures. Maybe something like a 'kill switch' option in your general settings would help, in addition or instead of an option per picture.

Of course I'm not entirely sure how you're planning on handling it... so the above's just guess work!

It basically boils down to the fact that (tl;dr);

- I think it's a nice idea, and it might be useful
- I wouldn't like to have it on my own art though so an option to turn it off would be ideal
- Defaulting it as off (either permanently or just in reference to deviations already uploaded) would be nice, or some kind of 'kill switch' in your options where you could turn it off on all of your own pictures.
- Previously covered linking issue/Sta.sh
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:iconhappyhedgehog:
Happyhedgehog Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
Just to add, I understand having the feature default as 'off' probably ruins the whole concept of it and being able to do this on 'any' deviation. But the ability to turn it 'on' or 'off' certainly in my opinion is a necessity.

Only other additional critique I could add is maybe the notes and pointers need to be less... in your face. Right now the yellow notes stand out well enough, but the red dots seem very large, perhaps not allowing to point to something smaller or more detailed. The ability to alter the sizes/colours of both would be great.
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:iconashleyxbrooke:
AshleyxBrooke Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:w00t:
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:iconlablayers:
LabLayers Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Student Interface Designer
That looks like fun! :squee:
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:iconshango-thunderstones:
Shango-ThunderStones Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:thanks:
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:iconcoxi:
coxi Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
tell me something new!
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
dude what a great time... 

if you remember where the forums are, check out the senior members one and try out the new "add media" stuff for comments! amazing stuff for photos. already works on sta.sh if you want to use it to collab, and easily posts to dA. 

syndication for facebook/twitter/tumblr/wordpress coming soon. 
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:iconcoxi:
coxi Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
it was!
you need an emoteicon for truffle burgers ;)

You know, it all looked great and easy when you showed it to me.. hope I can make it work so smooth too once I give it a try!
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:iconlabyrinther:
Labyrinther Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist
The meems could go on forever :D :D
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:icontimberclipse:
TimberClipse Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Professional Filmographer
:lol: Thanks for making my day Angelo :P
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:iconwinehaus:
winehaus Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
:lmao: Angelo, this is hilarious.
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:iconelectricjonny:
electricjonny Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I've not really played with the annotation stuff (only looking at that tool on muro testing it out), but while it seems pretty cool in general, I'm hoping that a "do not allow annotations" checkbox appears on the submission form, to keep people from marking up other people's art? I get a feeling that will be needed here.
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:iconmiontre:
miontre Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree also.
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:iconoceanatendofthelane:
OceanAtEndofTheLane Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
agreed. I see the potential for misuse very very easily.
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
replied here.. [link]
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:iconelectricjonny:
electricjonny Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Even if not misuse, people may just be uncomfortable with people drawing on their images and having it end up in other people's sta.sh. But I guess they can just not add their images to the comment if they don't want. If I understand this feature right.
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
... hmm obviously this is early early on this. But what if images with annotations still click-directed to the original image instead of the sta.sh item? This way the original author always gets credit, and then the person in the actual comment (commenting ON the piece of art) would simply be talking in the context of the actual comment... not driving traffic to their stash or themselves.. 
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:iconelectricjonny:
electricjonny Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Hmm, yeah I like that better. Perhaps a deviation which has annotations made by others could have another tab somewhere like "annotations on this image", where you could see each one made by people.

With film annotations, the annotations are all on that one deviation, and all you see is the comment by the person. Something similar to that would be much better :nod:
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Annotions linked from the deviation would be key. Right on!

As for constricting it to just on the deviation page, I think that's too limited for how people want to function... the forums, and comments on the site as references for other images are (i think) very important use cases in critique, conversation or just in having fun. It's very much in the spirit of the deviantART community, but credit must be given where credit is due. Especially when it comes to page views and traffic leading back to the authors.

I was also thinking we could offer a licensing option under the Premium Content program, so if you licensed an image for use in this way... you'd now actually take possession of it in your stash legitimately and you could still reference the original author, but you would have paid for the use legitimately......... there's a twist for you ;)

-- A
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:iconelectricjonny:
electricjonny Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Speaking purely for the forums, and from the senior preview I see, you seem to think that the forums are a prime place for art discussions. That's true, in a few forums, but most of the forum talk has nothing to do with our art. I'm not saying this doesn't have a place there, but you have to know that a lot of why people love the forums is for pure and simple chatter, about anything and everything, not about art =P Not to say you don't know this already, but it feels like you (general you, not you specifically) intend for this to be released to everyone in the forums, with the idea that great art and artistic talk will happen. I sort of really doubt that, for most of the forums at least =P

As for all that premium content stuff, hah, well that is honestly all beyond me. I never touch all that, aside from alpha/beta testing :giggle:
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Forums are a test platform. Our intent is site wide. Every comment box.

I've been using a gmail plugin.
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
this is definitely an interesting topic to me. obviously we're aware that this is going to be a major conversation regarding these features. 

it is .... where the web is moving... though...

For starters we do need to add this capability to the submission process so that you can control muro commenting on your image all together.

But even for instances where it is permitted, we need to add more credit to this effect on these actual pieces beyond just in the description. More of a "hard link" on the interface to the original author, with direct attribution.

And lastly, we are working on backend technologies where you'll know (as the original author) whenever this occurs. It'll be like a comment to your art work no matter where it appears on the network...

And ultimately, if you delete your piece, it would remove all the derivatives as well....

But all of this is moot when someone can just drag, drop and do this anyway in photoshop or gimp and post in ways we can't track ..... :)

-- A
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faeorain Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I glanced over some of the responses here, but I haven't seen if this question has been answered or not...will there be a way for us to disable this feature on our deviations?
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Katara-Alchemist Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Student General Artist
I'm curious now, you say that if you delete your piece it will remove all derivatives. Won't that potentially leave huge gaps in conversation? I'm not saying it's a bad idea at all, but it makes me wonder.

There's also this to consider: Let's say I make just a plain white square that I keep in my sta.sh and then I use that to write abusive comments to people, but I delete the white square and thus the abusive derivatives before the staff can take action, screenshots can be taken, etc.

It is a very round-about way of doing things, but with how much people beg to be able to delete comments, I wouldn't be surprised if people started doing that even for non-abusive comments.
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:iconmiontre:
miontre Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Your second point is very, very good; I had not thought about that. A lot of potential for misuse there.
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:iconkatara-alchemist:
Katara-Alchemist Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Student General Artist
I think I'll bring it up in the forum thread about the new comments as well.
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Have you seen Muro Redraw? :)
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:iconkatara-alchemist:
Katara-Alchemist Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Student General Artist
I have, but I'm not sure what it has to do with my question.
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:iconmiontre:
miontre Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Maybe he means they could use redraw to see the abusive comment which was there in the past? :?
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OceanAtEndofTheLane Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012
as long as deviantART doesn't turn into the perezhilton website, you know, where anyone can grafitti any piece of art that's uploaded.
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:iconelectricjonny:
electricjonny Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Heh yeah, ultimately you can't control online artwork, since once it's online, it's essentially up for grabs.

But I am glad these thoughts are being talked about with you all :nod: As far as muro attributes on other people's art is concerned, and who's sta.sh it ends up in, well that's a rather big question. Not sure if that's a concern to many people, but it will be interesting to make it work and not upset people. I think it's a great feature, but something to do carefully.
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
totally agree. I mean, the capability itself excites me like a litte kid. I'm so proud of the team behind it, and all the effort that has gone in. As a technology stack it's really a herculean effort. 

but now seeing it in public, and interacting with seniors with it, this bit is entirely clear.

like my post above that you may not have read, I think the solution is simple... today this image (for example) links to my sta.sh: 

Show ImagesUntitled Drawing by +spyed


Instead, if this image linked directly to the original authors work (without the commentary, obviously) then the full intent of the functionality is preserved (you can comment ON art!) and at the same time, doing so promotes the original image and the original author much the way comments do, much the way "favorites" do.

Even if this "comment" showed up on the "commenters" profile as a comment that they made somewhere, (and again links from it went to the author) it would be much like Favorites showing up on the profiles of people who favorite images. And ultimately serves as yet another way that images grow in popularity and increase awareness of artist profiles.

Win, win! 

See any flaws in that thinking? Cuz people are right, this could be one huge shit storm we'd all love to avoid. :) 
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endosage Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
What I'm wondering is why the annotation looks like that. It's huge, blocking the art, and the actual annotation isn't really anywhere near what's being talked about. For example, what you see there is a "location" annotation (best used for critiquing a specific part of the piece), but what you've written is "general", the ideal use case and displayed use case don't match here. The annotation is a part of the image that I can't remove to see the actual image. Sure, I could click the image to get to the original (as you've suggested would be the case), but why should I have to load another page just to see the image without annotations? I hope everyone has a fast internet connection!

The annotations should be live, and able to be hidden so you can fully see the original artwork. What if I want to comment on something that's under someone else's annotation? I can't do that here, nor can I even see what's under it because it's been rendered into the image. Real world example: When watching youtube videos, the first thing I do is remove annotations. When listening to soundcloud, the first thing I do is turn off comments. Permanently obscuring the art is not the answer here. Same for drawings.

Ideally, when you view an annotated image, the annotations would first, be constructive critiques only, not meme additions or anything else (this would not be tied to the critiques system, charging for this does not seem like a good idea, this should just be an enhancement available to all since the opportunity to revolutionize our platform here is huge, both for us and our members). General feedback can go in the regular comments area as has always been the case. The annotations themselves wouldn't actually show up in full on load. They'd just be indicated by a dot of some sort (that red dot doesn't really seem like it would suffice, it should be obvious on any color background), and then when you click it or hover it, the annotation would expand and you'd be able to read it.

Also, having the ability to reply to annotations in place would be a must here. What if I want to reply to someone's specific point that they presented to me in an annotation? I should be able to click their critique and add a reply.

As for the case where you're posting someone's work into a journal of yours and annotating it: these annotations, no matter where they're applied, should all appear on the deviation page of the original deviation. This will give a better feeling for the scale at which this image is propagating throughout the community and what kind of discussion it's generating. This would also allow people to critique the image without actually having to know the deviation page even exists (consider that someone posts the image in the forums and you can also critique from there), but the deviation page would still house all that information so you can see what everyone has to say about that piece all in one place.

All that being said, I'm VERY happy that this is being developed. We've needed something like this for a long time.
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miontre Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I really agree with you on everything here :nod: Your suggestions make a lot of sense.

Your suggestion of housing all the annotations on the deviation page. If this were implemented; annotations would be able to be deleted (or hidden) by the owner right, just like with comments?
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