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Thoughts on our Stock Community

Journal Entry: Wed Oct 13, 2010, 5:23 AM


Our Stock Community here at deviantART is really neat, and it has been here with us since the very early days of deviantART. Artists need "photo stock" in order to create photo manipulations, sketches, digital art, and a variety of other things. Many of our members have contributed throughout the years to our free stock galleries, which have highly restricted uses but have permitted an open sharing of useful stock imagery for our communities’ purpose.

I’ve been following closely the extensive conversations over at #HQ about stock on deviantART.  I’m excited to say that we are going to put together an organized stock offering on deviantART, and the first step is the creation of the StockProject Group, so you guys can follow along on what we're planning here.  And, at the same time, we are announcing a partnership with an industry-leading microstock company, who you (may) know as Fotolia.

There is an incredible combined intelligence about the stock business right here. As I mentioned, many of you use stock, make commercial stock, or make free stock available to the community; sometimes you do all three.  We need to focus that intelligence to birth the ideal resource for this core activity for our community, and that’s precisely what StockProject is for.

The discussions at #HQ already point to some of the things we should make: special deviant collections that become a go-to environment for art directors and illustrators looking to break out from the standard stuff (this really exposes your work to the marketplace and has a huge potential for deviants); better artist splits when stock gets licensed; great pricing for deviants, particularly when you use stock for developing your talent and not for commercial projects; building more advanced search that raises the bar for accessing stock; simple-to-read licenses that really let you know what you can and can’t do; and delivering soup-to-nuts resources -- not just visually, but that work culturally for a worldwide membership.

We also need contributions to the process from an experienced commercial partner that understands the stock business. Fotolia’s management knows commercial stock. They built their business from scratch, an accomplishment we here at deviantART recognize and respect. They are an independent company and are independently minded, which means they are paying attention to their users and not to the boardroom. They’ve figured out internationalism better than any of the other stock providers. They understand what we need to accomplish, support it, and even want to build it with us as a laboratory for their own business.  But their best quality is a willingness to experiment on how to properly handle stock for an art community like us.

As a first step, Fotolia is making its business available to deviants. This is only a first step, but right now, you can go to The deviantART Stock Project with Fotolia, where you can start to see the types of resources we can now offer.  We also have some of their free images available at StockProject, which is just a first gesture of the type of additional support our stock community will now be seeing. We’ve also put together another HQ blog explaining the partnership and launch of this new group and the focus behind it.

The real work will be building our own stock offering. Over the next weeks, we are going to spec-out what an ideal stock integration would look like on deviantART. So from here on, I’ll be over at StockProject talking about this. Feel free to leave comments and ideas there.

:spyed:

spyed sense:


i really need to change my signature.
it's been simmering in lame for way too long.

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:iconolimarxcrystal:
OlimarxCrystal Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2010
did you create deviantart?
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renonevada Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
As long as we can still have a large variety of free stock pics to choose from, I'll be a happy camper with whatever happens. =p
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shelldevil Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2010
So many journals and blogs and whatnot Im starting to get confused.
Maybe you can sort something out for me here.
Selling stock ON dA. Will this be stock similar to that offered now, or do we expect stock being sold to be on the same level as other microstock sites in terms of both quality and idea? The reason I ask is, you don't see people posing in a fairy/zombie/whatever outfit on a microstock site. Stock for artistic use and stock for commercial (taken as is for a presentation of flier etc) use are 2 totally unique things.

Not to say Im not excited about it, Heck I am so happy Id jizz in my pants if I had a penis :iconteheplz: I just cant figure out what direction this is taking.
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lost-angle Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
This has been added to #dA-Dictionary's Dictionary Entries.
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chibi Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
Free stock imagery is great for artists trying to make digital composites and etc. but selling stock photos to companies is criminal if you care about the livelihood of artists trying to make a living from photography. It's a way to make a fast buck and put a photographer that's gone to college out on the curb. I was really sad to see this partnership.
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zananeichan Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
The reason why I share my stock freely is to share, love, as I have seen to much drama around the copyright arena whbich is sad, as well based around conformity related to commercialism :hug: :love:
I love people when they create and are not restricted and stuck in a box because they do not have enough money.
:heart: :hug:
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AJGlass Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Professional Artisan Crafter
It would be really helpful if DA could come up with a way to help those folks who use Stock keep better track of who created which Stock image so that credit can be properly given. For instance, it may take an artist months or even years to finish a piece using stock, and by that time, the name of the artist who created the original Stock might be forgotten. This is especially true when a Stock artist doesn't put their DA name as part of the Stock image file name or the Stock folder name.

And when an artist uses numerous Stock images over the course of a long time, keeping track of who to credit for what can be almost daunting without keeping meticulous notes of what imagery came from whom.

So perhaps DA could create a feature that would automatically attach a deviant's DA name to the file name of every stock image that the original Stock artist uploads. That way, if the image is downloaded or saved to a hard drive, the name of the original Stock artist stays with the original image file and thus can be easily determined.

Just a suggestion. :)

I also have a policy question:

How does a deviant credit a Stock artist if the original Stock account has been deactivated and you don't know the actual name of the artist who created the Stock? Linking to the deactivated Stock account seems almost irrelevant since there's nothing really there anymore.

:hmm:
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:iconrenonevada:
renonevada Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Every time I download an image it has the title and username as the filename. I thought that was a standard thing. O_o
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Retoucher07030 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
When members upload unstuffed graphics files (jpegs, psd, eps, etc...), DA will automatically add their member name to the file name. But some (many) members upload stuffed files and that's where the problems start. DA will automatically add the member name to the zip or rar file name but it can't add it to the files contained within. Unfortunately many (most) of the members who upload zip or rar files also forget to add their member name to each individual file. It's very easy to lose track of who created unstuffed, generically named files.
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:iconajglass:
AJGlass Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2010  Professional Artisan Crafter
I did too, until I started downloading some images that just had numbers as their file name (probably added by the user's camera).

So apparently not?
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GoldenQuill Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Wow, I am happy to read about this. Great project, good luck!
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:iconstevecthoing:
SteveCTHOing Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010
hmmm... it's not too bad, what you are yping, but what are 'stocks' anyway?
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:iconstevecthoing:
SteveCTHOing Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2010
thanks for that. I think this will clear up this question for other people. That is if they are willing to scroll down to the question.
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:iconaaronbradford:
AaronBradford Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Definitely sounds like a project worth following/contributing to! :)
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ShadowMaker-241 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
Sounds interesting :)
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Myrretah Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Professional General Artist
That seems like a really amazing thing! I have both supplied stock and used it. There have been times when I have found exactly what I needed but shied away from using it because either I couldn't understand what the artist wanted in return for use of their stock (sometimes it was language barrier) or that I felt that I couldn't use the stock because I may eventually want to run the image that I made as a print or in a publication. Clarity about usage would be glorious, or yes a way to pay for a bit of use should the need arise. I mean that is also a way to build a subscription plan if you have someone like me who may use it for a more commercial project. I am already a DA premium member too, there could be ways to entice others to go for that if there are, lol, stock options involved. Even if it is only unlocking some of it. Meh, I'm sure you have completely thought through all these ideas. It would just be wonderful to really know what I can and can't use, and be able to purchase something if I have to have it, LOL.
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pulbern Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I like the way you're thinking! Just looks like another step forward to bettering the site. :salute:
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HateBunny Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
That's interesting.
I've been thinking for a while that a more dynamic and functional option to simply search for free stock (or a monetized version with purchase options like the print store) would be useful.

Part of the goodness of having a dedicated stock program would be that it would make it clearer that work NOT in the stock program is NOT available for use (i.e. less art theft). On the other hand, it may draw confusion from those who might think that everything must be stock if there is a stock component to deviantart.

No accounting for idiots, though.
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palmouth Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010
:)
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Professional General Artist
A great development, really pleased to see this going forward! There will be a lot of very happy artists reading this :nod: (Not to mention all the unhappy grumpy artists =P )
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:iconharu01:
Haru01 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Professional Writer
Sweet!
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:iconflyingfatality:
FlyingFatality Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know someone who does amazing stock resources for deviants that I'll pass this journal onto. :] ( =SenshiStock )
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:iconjonathoncomfortreed:
jonathoncomfortreed Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Student Photographer
:thumbsup: Very cool.
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:iconsatania:
SaTaNiA Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome Angelo !
I think it's a one more good way to make deviantART the best place ever (even if it already is ! ) for art lover, and for the real high quality of his stocks !

:clap:
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
it should be a really meaningful service. we're going to put our best food forward on it! very excited.
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UnicornReality Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
This makes me happy Spyed.

Happy in the pants.

The pants Spyed. The pants.
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
ROFL!!!!!
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NEOkeitaro Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Professional Filmographer
Really good news. As a stock provider on deviantART, I'm really glad you're trying to explore more the possibilities of what we (the site, and the stock provider) can offer. I'll definitely check on this :)
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup:
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:iconopridai:
opridai Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Professional Interface Designer
I am in :)
deviantART muro drawingComment Drawing
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:iconthelupineone:
TheLupineOne Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Student General Artist
Do you have stock of stick figures for poses? Like action shots like snowboarding?
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:iconspyed:
spyed Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
yes, I think we will ;)
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:iconthelupineone:
TheLupineOne Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Student General Artist
:D
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:iconsparkzbolt:
SparkZBolt Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You bet! It's awesome. ^^
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Agrotera-Thanatos Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Cool~
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